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- From: mlelstv@serpens.rhein.de (Michael van Elst)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.networking
- Subject: Re: New Press Release!
- Date: 14 Mar 1996 14:13:20 +0100
- Organization: dis-
- Message-ID: <4i961g$ik0@serpens.rhein.de>
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- drizzit@eskimo.com (G. Baldwin) writes:
-
- >How dare you sit here and spout out such an ignorant statement like
- >that. "want to run Word for Windows"??? Bah. I hope you've noticed
- >this but
-
- So you do not want to run bloated software.
-
- >(1) Most games out for any OS right now require (as a base) more power
- > than a 68040/40 can pump out.
-
- But you want to buy a game computer where everyone knows that you need
- a Pentium or game console to play games.
-
- >(2) Your 030/40 is still going to have problems dealing with the
- > increasing demands of larger and more colorful graphics.
-
- So this 030/40 computer has _larger and more colorful graphics_ built in ?
-
- >(3) Last time I checked, Final Writer itself wasn't much better than Word
- > at speed. 40 page document, about 10 or 20 pictures, oh boy oh boy
- > was it slow.
-
- Probably half as slow as Word with just 4MB RAM after the second page.
-
- >(4) I guess nobody you know ever does anything else that needs a fast CPU
- > such as archiving, image conversion, possibly rendering (like VRML
- > objects out on the web... whoops, forgot. Amiga is the only "major"
- > platform out w/o a VRML browser),
-
- The Amiga is a major platform ?
-
- > And ya know, last time I checked, my hard drive interface seemed
- > much much better after I dropped it into an 030 and then 040 system.
-
- Do you want to say something ?
-
- > (but then I guess if they weren't fast with an 020, then they must
- > of sucked because the programmers didn't write the drivers is pure
- > ASM, eh?)
-
- ... says someone who wants Pentium games on the Amiga and is too ignorant
- to see that not even a 060 is fast enough for that. But still, a 030/40
- is too slow and a 040 or 060 magically helps.
-
- >Well, remember that the EC030 lacks any working MMU.
-
- Since it isn't used by AmigaOS, Pentium games and Amiga programs it isn't
- really _lacking_.
-
- >that need it, like Enforcer, VMM, or FastROM, or can use it to speed
- >things up, like ShapeShifter, then I found the lack of one a real pain
- >in the ass.
-
- So, you think that developers or people doing image processing would be
- satisfied with a 030 ? Of course not, these wouldn't even buy the base
- machine.
-
- >And what if I want to use Unix? Can't do it w/o an MMU...
-
- If you want to use UNIX you can a) do some whining why this base machine
- doesn't allow you to run UNIX or b) do something sensible and buy cheap
- PC hardware to run UNIX.
-
- >Why not better, lets just drop the 680x0 line all together.
-
- And now we come to pure fantasy.
-
- >when a PPC 603 emulates 680x0 code faster than your 68EC030/40 can
- >execute it?
-
- It doesn't.
-
- >After all, the PPC603 isn't much more expensive than a 68040 chip is, if
- >not cheaper.
-
- It is more expensive.
-
- >So I ask one last time - why do you think Amigas shouldn't have anything
- >better than a 68EC030/40?
-
- I do not think that. But I believe that a EC030/40 is a reasonable choice
- at the time. Squabbling about 060s and PPCs is just wishful thinking, mostly
- of people that wouldn't buy such an Amiga anyway. But the EC030/40 does
- have applications and customers now.
-
- >its so that all of the little kids can play games on a $400 machine, hey,
-
- I'm not talking about games. But you seem to be pretty focused on playing
- games. Why don't you go for a playstation instead of asking the Amiga to
- become one ?
-
- --
- Michael van Elst
-
- Internet: mlelstv@serpens.rhein.de
- "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
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